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A Conversation with Orlando City Founder and President Phil Rawlins
In a 20-minute conversation with Orlando City Founder and President Phil Rawlins, we were able to cover a wide range of topics ranging from the GM position, to the new stadium and training facilities slated to open next season, and many other topics.
Well, let’s dig in.
First off, how’s the GM search going?
Phil Rawlins: First, let’s bust myth No. 1: we have a full-time GM, and in fact we have two — myself and Niki Budalic. So Niki covers our assistant general manager. When we brought him in, I wanted to ensure that we gave him a chance to work behind the scenes and learn the role and everything, and he’s done an awesome job. He's been with us almost a year, and I can’t praise him highly enough for the work he’s done, and the work he’s done behind the scenes. So Niki and I share the GM (duties) between us. So we do have two GMs — and we kind of have it covered twice, in that respect. And we’re not really searching for a new one, I expect Niki to move up to that role in the next few months and he will continue to do a great job.
Did the off-season Armando Carneiro situation make you more cautious in the approach to set a new permanent GM?
PR: When we took the decision that we needed to go in a new direction in the beginning of the year, then what I said at that point was like, 'look, this is a job that when you think about it, I’ve done for year, and it's no different' — because I’ve done it in the USL. So, at that point, I was like, ‘I’ve done this before, I’m used to doing this for several years, I’ve got the experience, we’ve got a great guy on board with Niki, what we need is a period of stability and we need leadership and stability, and I can provide that.’ So, I said 'let me stay in that role and provide the foundation, and provide that stability that we knew we wanted to have.' And with Niki as my right-hand guy, I think we’ve done that and we’ve done it pretty well.
Has it been tough managing that role this season (with a mid-window coaching change thrown in)?
PR: Go back to basics. When soccer fans generally — and Orlando City fans for that matter — look at what we do, or what an MLS team does, you’ve got to bear in mind that it’s not the same as running a club in the Premier League, or the Championship, or the Bundasliga, the Colombian first division — wherever you want to go. It’s different than anywhere else in the world because you don’t have to deal with salary caps, none of them have to deal with the kind of structure and joint ownership structure you do in MLS. And put Orlando City aside — this could be Dallas, it can be Columbus, or anyone else. You can’t just go out and make wholesale changes because the structure of the rules don’t allow it. So you’re already working within a structure that I’ve got to be not only cognizant of, but you’ve got to stay inside. You get outside of it, you get screwed up pretty quickly — you get fined, you get a slap on the wrist, things that get killed off pretty fast.
Bear in mind you’re working in that structure as you’re dealing with transfers, player personnel issues, and everything else. So you’re somewhat controlled. Therefore, you’re never going to see a club go into a transfer window and say, 'we’re going to change five or six players,' because you can’t physically do it. You’ve got to do it one piece at a time, and sometimes two pieces, but it’s small increments. So, that’s the first thing to bear in mind as a back drop.
But I think we brought in some quality players. You’re always looking to add to that and move the pieces around. In MLS, it’s more difficult because you’ve got that salary cap to work in and you’re like, 'well I’ve got to pay him $195,000, I’ve got to move this guy over to $75,000, and I’ve got to bring this guy in at $90,000.' And so, you see it’s a balancing act, as to how you go about it. So, in the transfer windows, this last transfer window for example, people kind of forgotten we brought in Jose Aja, partly furnished, and now everybody forgets where he came from. He was one of those players that came in during that window.
And we have made incremental strides with, again, a player like [Matias Perez Garcia], who is turning out, and is going to turn out, to be a great buy for us. A creative midfield player, someone that can play multiple roles, can go box-to-box. But we’ve added quality pieces, and we’ll continue to do that. I think what it is fair to say, in this last transfer window with the coaching change, and this was Jason's [Kreis'] choice, we said, 'if you need to make changes, we’ll make them,' and it was his choice, I think rightly so, to say, 'no, I want to assess what we’ve got, I want to give the players I’ve got here the chance to show me they want to be here, they want to be a part of this club, that I can assess their quality, and the worst thing I can do is make some big moves now before I understand that.' So, he took that decision, and we fully supported him on that, and that to a certain extent led to a quieter transfer window.
That said, we came very close to making a big signing — I don’t mean big in terms of money, it’s not like signing a Chicharito — what I mean by 'big' is a game-changing transfer for us, and I think it would have been substantial and it would have been game-changing. And it’s still there, by the way. It has not gone away, it just went away in that moment, should I say. And that was the only one that we really wanted to get done, if we could get it done. I think we’ll go back and revisit that — if it will happen, you don’t know in this time.
But I think you’ll see in this off-season that Jason’s had the opportunity now to assess the players for five-six months, will have the chance to work with them, knows their character — which is important to him, and rightfully so. He’ll have the chance to mold the shape of the team to what he wants and the kind of characters he wants around, and he’s making those decisions now based on a lot more time than he would have had in two weeks of training. And he also felt that we have a lot of quality players with good attitudes and good motivations that he wanted to work it. So yeah, it’s going to be an interesting off-season."
Speaking of Perez Garcia, does his contract end after this season (as some have reported)?
PR: I think we’ve taken over his contract from San Jose, and I think we’ve got another year on it.
And will San Jose be covering the rest of his contract next year, too?
PR: I think he’s got another year, so we won’t have to renegotiate.
Regardless, he’s in the plans for 2017?
PR: Absolutely. You’ve probably seen, as a lot of the fans have seen, the quality that’s come out of him the last few weeks. He’s an exciting player.
Is there any rush to sell Cyle Larin, and how much do the league rules regarding transfer fees for Generation Adidas players have on any potential sale?
PR: Obviously, to a certain extent, we’ve got to take that into account. But most important thing for Cyle is that Cyle keeps developing. It’s easy to forget he’s a kid — he’s 20. He happens to be leading our line, and happens to be scoring goals for the past two seasons, so that puts him in a different category with people, but he’s a kid. He’s learning the game. He’s only two years removed from college — and he only did 18 months in college. So, he’s developing as a player — he’s developing physically, he’s developing mentally, he’s understanding the game, he’s understanding what he’s got to do, and understanding how to make the most of the talents he’s got. That’s an important thought process with Cyle, and I’ve said to him personally, right now he’s in the best place to develop, and if you take away the transfer fee and you can move into another situation where he doesn’t have the opportunity to get those minutes and develop like he can in Orlando, and he wouldn’t benefit from it.
So, the next move for Cyle has to be the best move for Cyle. It’s got to be the right move in his development and, right now, I think the best thing for Cyle Larin is to be here in Orlando City, where’s he playing every week and he’s scoring goals.
The stadium just recently had its last piece of steel installed. What’s the next big milestone in the project?
PR: Well, we’re on schedule. So if anybody’s got any fears about if we’re going to open in 2017, we’re absolutely going to open in 2017. We’ll be open by the beginning of the season — we’re actually going to move all of the staff from here over there probably in February. I’m really pleased with its progress.
From a milestone standpoint, I think the next big milestone people will see is the south end of the stadium has been open for a long period of time because of construction purposes, so that’ll get closed in in the next few weeks, so you’ll start to see a complete stadium as opposed to a three-sided stadium, and that makes a big difference visually. If you’ve noticed right now, there’s a big hole in The Wall — that’s also there for construction purposes — and that hole will close up, and it will look like a complete end. I think the third big milestone you’ll see is the offices and VIP entrances on the west side all start to get finished off and begin to take shape. Right now it’s a lot of steel and wall coverings, but you’ll see it start to take shape.
So there’s some big things happening in the next few weeks, but it’s all going according to plan and we’re excited about it.
Is the plan to get in a test event before opening day next season?
PR: This is the kind of stuff you go to experts for. It’s not every day you open up a stadium. Everybody tells us you’ve got to have a test run. You’ve got to flush the toilets. Do the faucets run? Do the security gates work? Do the scanners work? And you don’t want to go through that, and you’d like to get it right for your first game. So we’re looking at right now if we should hold some kind of event in the facility, and with timing you want to be able to finish then get a meaningful test. You don’t want to be like, 'what did we learn because we didn’t finish?' So timing is definitely going to be interesting. I would imagine some time in the preseason we’re going to get an event in there, which will be a test event more than anything else, and will give us the chance to hopefully iron out a few kinks.
Are you close to revealing a stadium name?
PR: We’re working on it. We’ve got three or four very interested parties. Obviously, I can’t comment on who they are, but I don’t think we’ll have a big issue in selling the naming rights. The branding of the club, the awareness of the club, the visibility is something there’s a lot of interest in being associated with, and I think we’ll find out sometime within the next six months or so, is my guess. We may not have it done by the time it’s open, but there’s no rush for it.
Where do we stand on the new training facility? Word is there hasn’t actually been much dirt turned yet since the announcement.
PR: We’ve started the tree clearing, but we’ve really held back on that a little bit because we’ve got so many projects running in parallel, honestly, so we’ve got to be on the stadium, first and foremost — get that done, get it on time, get it done the way we want it done. And so a lot of our energy and our resources have gone to there to make sure it’s completed before we start up a new second project. It’s been delayed a few months, but it’s still very much in the plans to get it done next year.
Where do you expect OCB to be playing next season?
PR: We’d love for that to continue to be in Melbourne. Obviously, we’re coming towards the end of the season and we’ve entered into discussions again with Eastern Florida State College. We’ve got see, do they want us back? Does the community still want us? Do we want to be there? Do they want us to be there? But we’ll have those discussions in the next few weeks, but I think if we have our druthers that we’ll remain in Melbourne next year.
Would it make sense, logistically, to have three teams in the next stadium, if need be?
PR: It does. it can be done. It’s more, I think, a case of do we want to do it? Is it the right thing to do? I think there’s more than one decision. One is: can it be done? And I think the answer is yes, it can be done. Then the question is, do we want to do it? And that’s the question we don’t know yet. Do we? Is there a benefit for us to keep the footprints spread or to keep it closer? So that stuff we’ll weigh up over the next few months. But yeah, it’s certainly feasible.
What were your thoughts on the Forbes MLS evaluations ranking Orlando City fifth in the league in total value?
PR: At the end of the day, the people will tell you that the evaluation of a business is an art, not a science — it’s what multiplier do you do? Do you multiply it by revenue, do you multiply is by good will? It is an art.
That said, somebody’s going to put a value on you and people love league tables, so you’re going to be on a table somewhere. Forbes is obviously very well-recognized institution, they know what they’re doing. We’re obviously delighted to be in the top five — I think we should be in the top two, to be honest. I think when the stadium is done we will be in the top two or three, because that’s going to be added into the evaluation as well. If you look at all of the other measures — No. 2 in attendance, No. 2 in season ticket sales, we’re No. 2 or 3 in jersey and merchandise sales, we’re No. 1 in group ticket sales. We’re No. 1, 2, or 3 in every metric that the league has to measure.
So I think we’re a very valuable property, and it’s only going to get more valuable in its overall importance as we move into a new home.
Orlando City
Orlando City vs. San Jose Earthquakes: Preview, How to Watch, TV Info, Live Stream, Lineups, Match Thread, and More
Orlando City restarts its 2026 MLS campaign late tonight out west at San Jose.
Welcome to your match thread for a late night midweek matchup tonight between Orlando City (4-9-2, 14 points) and the San Jose Earthquakes (10-3-2, 32 points) at PayPal Park (10:30 p.m., Apple TV). This is the only scheduled meeting between the teams in 2026 and the first time the teams have met since 2024.
Here’s what you need to know ahead of tonight’s match.
History
Orlando City is 3-1-3 in the previous seven MLS meetings with the Quakes since the club joined Major League Soccer in 2015. The Lions got their only away win in the series in the last meeting and enter tonight 1-1-2 on the road against San Jose.
The teams last met on May 18, 2024, with Jack Lynn coming off the bench to score the game’s only goal. Lynn’s strike in the 89th minute broke the scoreless deadlock and lifted the Lions to a 1-0 victory.
The teams met in Orlando most recently way back on June 22, 2021, with the Lions beating the Quakes down, 5-0. Orlando got things started with an early penalty kick goal by Nani, followed by braces from Benji Michel and Daryl Dike to easily put the game away. The lasting memory from the game is Michel’s celebratory dance wearing a cowboy hat that came out of the stands.
Prior to that Orlando City romp, the last time the teams met was on Aug. 31, 2019 when the Lions got freight trained 3-0 at Avaya Stadium, giving the Quakes their first win in the series. San Jose’s offense came via a Chris Wondolowski brace and an early opening goal by Magnus Eriksson. Orlando looked flat and weary out of the gate.
The Lions were victorious in Exploria Stadium in the 2018 meeting on April 21, a 3-2 Orlando win. It was the first win in the series for either side after three straight draws. Chris Mueller, Sacha Kljestan, and Dom Dwyer gave the Lions a 3-0 lead before Florian Jungwirth pulled two back in the game’s late stages.
The Lions led all of the first three matches in the second half only to see San Jose pull level, with two of those tying goals coming late. In the 2017 meeting, Carlos Rivas finally broke the scoreless tie and gave Orlando City the lead in the 81st minute, but Wondolowski spoiled the Lions’ night with an equalizer two minutes later as the teams drew at Avaya Stadium, 1-1.
In 2016, the Lions were gut-punched in the 94th minute in an emotional match that ended in a 2-2 draw. It was the first home match following the Pulse nightclub tragedy and what appeared to be a storybook ending to a cathartic win turned sour on a last-gasp equalizer by Shea Salinas. Seb Hines — now the Orlando Pride’s head coach — opened the scoring for Orlando, only to see Chad Barrett tie it up. Julio Baptista restored the lead in stoppage time, but Salinas ruined everything.
The two teams also drew in the first meeting, a 1-1 affair at Levi’s Stadium in Santa Clara, with the Lions down to 10 men after Brek Shea was sent off in the first half. Kaká and Wondolowski each scored from the penalty spot four minutes apart in that initial meeting.
Overview
The teams meet tonight to get their post-World Cup portion of the season started. Orlando City has been terrible on the road all season long, keeping only one MLS opponent under two goals all year away from home and allowing five goals twice (at New York City FC and Nashville) and six goals twice (at LAFC and in the team’s most recent match away at FC Cincinnati just before the break).
Orlando City is a putrid 1-6-1 on the road this season, and now the Lions must face the Western Conference co-leaders tonight before coming home to face Supporters’ Shield-leading Nashville SC at home on Saturday. They’ll have to play at least tonight’s game without Martin Ojeda, who is out with a thigh injury sustained some time between his first-half goal a week ago in a friendly against FC Dallas and the time the availability report dropped on Tuesday.
But it isn’t all bad news for the Lions, who should have both Antoine Griezmann and Dike in the lineup. Griezmann was the club’s highly prized and widely publicized summer Designated Player signing, while Dike’s return to Orlando came together more recently, following his departure from West Bromwich Albion. They’ll help the club’s offense, but the attack hasn’t been the issue in 2026 — it’s been the historically porous defense, which is on pace to shatter the MLS record for goals conceded.
Meanwhile, San Jose is one of the first half of the season’s biggest surprises, as the Quakes have been outstanding in 2026. Scoring 34 goals while conceding just 15, San Jose is among the league leaders in goals scored (tied for third), goals conceded (third), and goal differential (+19, third).
The Earthquakes are 4-2-1 at home and are coming off a 3-1 road win at Portland in their last game prior to the World Cup break. San Jose boasts Golden Boot challenger Preston Judd, who leads the Quakes with 11 goals, adding two assists in his 15 appearances. Ousseni Bouda has chipped in five goals and three assists. Niko Tsakiris leads the team with seven assists to go along with his two goals, but he’s still recovering from a lower body injury and is not available tonight. However, the arrival of Timo Werner (four goals and five assists in just seven games) has truly elevated Bruce Arena’s Quakes, and he’ll need to be one of the main focal points for the Orlando defense.
To have any shot at taking something from this game, the Lions will need to play better road defense than they have all season. Orlando can score goals, but with Ojeda out, Griezmann will need to adapt quickly, and someone other than the team’s leading scorer will need to find the net.
The Lions will play without Ojeda (thigh), Joran Gerbet (knee), Nolan Miller (knee), Colin Guske (international duty), and Clovis Archage (international duty). In addition, Marco Pasalic may or may not have returned to the team after the World Cup. He was not in training Monday, although interim head coach Martin Perelman said he expected the Croatian back soon. The Earthquakes will be without Nonso Adimabua (lower body), former Lion Earl Edwards Jr. (lower body), DeJuan Jones (lower body), and Tsakiris (you guessed it, lower body…come on, San Jose).
Match Content
- Our most recent PawedCast includes our key matchups and score predictions for tonight’s match.
Official Lineups:
Orlando City (4-4-2)
Goalkeeper: Maxime Crepeau.
Defenders: Adrian Marin, David Brekalo, Robin Jansson, Griffin Dorsey.
Midfielders: Ivan Angulo, Braian Ojeda, Eduard Atuesta, Tiago.
Forwards: Justin Ellis, Antoine Griezmann.
Bench: Javier Otero, Bernardo Rhein, Tahir Reid-Brown, Zakaria Taifi, Iago, Wilder Cartagena, Luis Otavio, Harvey Sarajian, Tyrese Spicer
San Jose Earthquakes (4-2-3-1)
Goalkeeper: Angus Gunn.
Defenders: Jamar Ricketts, Reid Roberts, Daniel Munie, Benjamin Kikanovic.
Defensive Midfielders: Beau Lerouox, Ronaldo Vieira.
Attacking Midfielders: Timo Werner, Nick Fernandez, Ousseni Bouda.
Forwards: Preston Judd.
Bench: Jonathan Gonzalez, Dave Romney, Paul Marie, Jack Skahan, Jack Jasinski, Ian Harkes, Francesco Montali, Max Floriani, Darius Johnson.
Referees
REF: Elijio Arreguin.
AR1: Adam Wienckowski.
AR2: Mike Nickerson.
4TH: Timothy Ford.
VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero.
AVAR: TJ Zablocki.
How to Watch
Match Time: 10:30 p.m.
Venue: PayPal Park — San Jose, CA.
TV/Live Stream: Apple TV.
Radio: AM 810 FOX Sports Radio Orlando (English), Mega 97.1 FM (Spanish), Nossa Rádio 1160 AM-WRLZ (Portuguese).
Social Media: For rapid reaction and live updates, follow us on Bluesky Social at @themaneland.bsky.social or follow Orlando City’s official Twitter (@OrlandoCitySC) or Bluesky (@OrlandoCitySC) feed.
Enjoy the match. Go City!
Podcasts
PawedCast Episode 542: Tampa Bay Friendly, McGuire Traded, OCB Beats Cincinnati, and More
Lions maul the Rowdies in friendly action, OCB wins on the road, and it’s transfer season.
Orlando City welcomed I-4 Derby rival Tampa Bay to Inter&Co Stadium for a friendly match on Wednesday and then proceeded to bludgeon the Rowdies with a couple of hammers named Antoine Griezmann and Justin Ellis. The two attackers combined for a goal and four assists in a 6-0 beatdown of the team from the Gulf Coast, with five different Lions scoring and Griffin Dorsey forcing an own goal. We discuss Griezmann’s first minutes with Orlando City, what the team showed in its formation, and how good Justin Ellis’ vision is.
Oh, and it’s also transfer season now. Duncan McGuire is on his way out and Marco Pasalic reportedly will follow soon, while a new left back may be headed from Spain to Orlando.
Following all of that, we discuss Maxime Crepeau being added to the MLS All-Star Team and the announcement that he’ll participate in the 2026 MLS All-Star Skills Challenge.
Our mailbagbox asked us about which World Cup semifinalist players we’d want to join Orlando this season (if we could only pick one), and more. Remember, if there’s anything — and we do mean anything — you want us to address on the show, just ask us by tweeting it to us at @TheManeLand with the hashtag #AskTMLPC, or hitting us up on Bluesky Social with that same hashtag.
After the mailbagbox, we dive into OCB’s 2-1 road win at FC Cincinnati 2. It wasn’t the prettiest game by the Young Lions, but they managed to do enough to earn three points on the road, where they’ll stay to face Chattanooga on Saturday. We briefly preview that game.
Finally, Orlando City will be in Dallas Wednesday for the second of two friendlies leading up to the restart of the MLS season. It’s unlikely we’ll get a lot of details about that one, but we’ll see what happens. Maybe the FC Dallas folks will help us out.
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Here’s how No. 542 went down:
0:15 – Orlando City crushed the Rowdies, the transfer season is in full swing, plus: hey now, Crepeau’s an all-star.
28:50 – The mailbagbox is always good for a hypothetical scenario.
36:54 – The Young Lions slipped past Cincy and head to Chattanooga, while the senior Lions head to Dallas.
Podcasts
SkoPurp Soccer Episode 119: International Break, USWNT, Louisville Preview, and More
The Pride return from a long international break looking to get their first-ever road win against Racing Louisville.
It feels like months since the Orlando Pride last took the field, but the calendar says otherwise. If you believe calendars, it’s only been a little less than three weeks, but time moves strangely in the post-pandemic apocalyptic world.
Anyway, we don’t have a match to recap, so we touched on a couple of Pride players putting the ball in the net during the international break and chat a bit about the United States Women’s National Team’s three-game friendly series against Japan. Emma Hayes used a lot of players, and the team looked solid for two of the three matches, but the rotated middle game seemed a bit disjointed. Hayes has greatly expanded the player pool and will have plenty of options when the World Cup approaches.
Our mailbagbox had questions about a potential change in the NWSL schedule, as the league explores adopting the fall-to-spring slate, and opposition own goals. Remember, you can ask us anything by hitting us up on Twitter at either @TheManeLand or @SkoPurpSoccer and using the hashtag #AskSkoPurp. You can use that same hashtag and hit @TheManeLand.bsky.social up on Bluesky. Or you can visit our show page, scroll down, and fill out the handy form. We’d also appreciate any ratings or reviews you can leave wherever you get your podcasts, and if you do that on Apple Podcasts, we’ll find them easily and read them on the show.
After the mailbagbox, we turned our attention toward Friday’s late afternoon tussle with Racing Louisville in Kentucky. The Pride have never won on the road against Louisville, and it’s about high time they did. This match begins a congested push to the June World Cup break, and although Friday’s hosts aren’t high in the table, the Pride must be at their best to get a road result in this fixture. We look back at the series history, compare the two sides, provide our key matchups in the game, and make our final score predictions.
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Here’s how Episode 119 went down:
0:15 – We open the show with a little banter about the Pride in the international break and the USWNT’s series vs. Japan.
9:03 – The mailbagbox features questions via both eletronic mail and social media. We welcome all modes of delivery.
19:59 – The Pride travel to Louisville to face Racing. They’ve never won in Kentucky, but we inform them how to do so.
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