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Staff Roundtable Week 2: Orlando City vs. Chicago Fire

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The saying “better late than never” was never more apparently proven than Sunday, when Orlando City scored twice in stoppage time to erase a 2-0 deficit and earn a hard-fought draw against Real Salt Lake. Adrian Winter came on and did his Energizer Bunny routine, adding pace and life into a side that had been put to sleep in the second half by RSL’s possession game. He and Cyle Larin provided the fireworks for a huge opening day crowd and got the team a draw that felt like a win.

With Chicago coming up tonight, it's time to go back to the Mane Land Roundtable to get our staff's takes on what we might see tonight. For this week, we've got Austin David, Scott Crumbly and Rich Shock taking their seats at the table. Let's get right to it.

With Kaká out, Adrian Heath pushed Brek Shea forward into the attacking midfield, where he and Molino were a mixed bag on Sunday vs. RSL. How do you see Heath’s attacking forces being distributed against Chicago on Friday?

Austin: I think it all depends on whether Antonio Nocerino is ready to play. A week of training with the team doesn’t instill full confidence for me in terms of chemistry and creativity in the attacking third. Personally, I’d run the same attacking force as the RSL game, with Shea, Larin, and Molino up top. The drawbacks last week were that the lineup wasn’t quite cohesive enough, with those three having not trained together up front all preseason. Now, they have a week of training to put something together and come out with a better game plan attacking wise. If it’s still not working out, then Heath could possibly bring on Nocerino in the later parts of the match to get something going. This week of training should help the flow of the offense, regardless of who plays up top.

Scott: Part of me would like to see Carlos Rivas get the start on the left side of midfield, but given his ankle injury last week and Heath’s propensity to throw Brek on the left wing when necessary, which we saw last season and again last week, I’d expect to see Heath stick with Shea in the advanced position and Luke Boden at the back.

Otherwise I think Heath will keep it the same with Kevin Molino out on the right behind Cyle Larin at center forward. That group created a number of dangerous chances against RSL and will be going against a Chicago defense that just allowed four goals to NYCFC. Adrian Winter is there to provide a second-half boost if needed, as he did last week.

Rich: I'm going to be a little unconventional with this answer — and I'm sure that will come back to haunt me — but I don't think we'll see Shea and Molino paired in the attacking midfield again. Shea is a dangerous player getting up the flanks and putting crosses into the box — we saw that with the nonchalant ball across the box that ended up as Larin's first goal on Sunday. But he looked uncomfortable pinched inside and Boden wasn't able to generate the same threat down the left flank as Ramos was down the right. I expect to see Shea moved back to his left back position and Molino paired up with someone new. (#foreshadowing)

We get Cristian Higuita back but now Darwin Ceren is suspended. Is this a simple case of a Ribeiro-Nocerino-Higuita defensive midfield this week or do you expect a shape change in Game 2?

Rich: Here's my continued unconventional answer to question 1: Nocerino starts, but not as a defensive midfielder. I think we'll see Carrasco start again in the holding midfield position with Higuita to his right and Ribeiro to his left. I don't think the Lions will come out in a 4-3-3 again on Friday; it seems much more likely that they will play a defined 4-3-2-1 with Nocerino and Molino as the two attacking midfielders. Carrasco had a solid outing — aside from a lazy tackle that eventually led to RSL's second goal — and it will be good to see Ribeiro and Higuita anchor that midfield as well. I expect Nocerino to start as the left attacking midfielder and to check into the midfield to collect the ball and give Orlando a 4-4-1-1 look at times. I doubt he goes the full 90 minutes though and either Rivas or Winter will replace him at some point in the second half.

Austin: I'd say Carrasco still starts over Nocerino, with the others still in the defensive midfield. I could see Nocerino come off the bench to spur someone either in the attack or in the midfield, but I don't think there's a huge reason to rush him into the starting 11. Carrasco is a serviceable midfielder and can do a good job distributing the ball wide, so I don't have a problem with him playing again in the defensive mid. Nocerino, if he does start, will most likely play more of an attacking role, which may switch up the formation a bit. Again, that's all contingent on the Italian's readiness to get in the starting spot.

Scott: I personally would rather see Heath play Cristian Higuita, Antonio Nocerino and Servando Carrasco in his three-man midfield. While Ribeiro does look more comfortable in the central midfield than he did up front, he still looks to be lumbering a bit. Higuita was one of the most talented young mids in MLS last season, so he’s an obvious choice to slot in coming back off suspension, with a Higuita-Nocerino-Cerén trio being the eventual ideal behind attacking mids Kaká and Molino once all are fit and eligible at the same time.

Cyle Larin had a tough preseason and struggled at times against Real Salt Lake. Still, Kid Fantastic impacted the end of the game with a goal and an assist. Was this just a case of him pressing and now that he's scored he can relax and play his game or will we see inconsistencies in his sophomore year?

Scott: I think it was a bit of both. Larin was clearly exhausted after the final whistle, and admitted he’s going to have to get used to teams trying to rough him up this year. Still, I think the clinical finish followed by the game-winning assist will certainly help his confidence moving forward, and despite some frustration Sunday he was an offside call and a one-on-one save by Nick Rimando away from making it two or three goals vs. RSL.

Rich: Larin will struggle some in his second year, but I would be surprised if that's totally attributed to the "sophomore slump." He is a defined striker in this league and teams will prepare for him specifically; he should be ready for some added attention and not be surprised when it isn't as easy the second time around. With that being said, a healthy Orlando City will provide ample opportunities for Larin to score — if we're being honest, he could have had three or four on Sunday alone.

Austin: With any young player, you’re going to see some inconsistencies pop up now and again. Having that goal and his first career assist will definitely help him mentally when it comes to his play on the pitch, but time will tell how his second season in MLS goes. It’s only one game in and there’s not enough to make a calculated call whether Larin will or won’t live up to expectations. As far as this week goes, Larin’s coming up against a shaky (at best) Chicago Fire defense, so scoring a goal or two is within the realm of possibility and that could only help him going forward.

With David Mateos out, what did you make of the Seb HinesTommy Redding pairing at central defense against a good RSL attack force?

Scott: I thought Hines and Redding played fairly well and would like to see how they play alongside one another as they continue to develop familiarity. Redding fared well against a dangerous trio of attackers, and his on-ball abilities complement the physical game of Hines. I'd obviously like to see Hines refrain from clumsy challenges in the box when the attacker has an acute angle at goal and the keeper still to beat, though.

Austin: To be honest, Hines and Redding weren’t tested all too much in the RSL game. There were the counter attacks and opportunities early on, but in those instances, they seemed to hold their own. Aside from the Hines penalty, they were a serviceable back pairing, but may be tested a bit more with the speed of David Accam and Kennedy Igboananike up top for the Fire.

Rich: Redding was awesome against RSL and would have been my MOTM had Winter not come on and saved the day. He was solid in the back of the team and didn't really get himself turned around too often. He got beat over the top on the ball that eventually led to RSL's penalty kick, but recovered well enough that he probably saved Hines from getting a straight red. Both Hines and Redding seemed comfortable with each other and that should be a pairing that Orlando City fans are happy to see out on the pitch again on Friday.

What is your projected lineup and score line for Friday night vs. the Fire?

Austin: With Nocerino possibly getting into the fold this week, I could see the same lineup as last week if he does not play (Higuita in for Ceren though), but if he does end up in the lineup, he would take either the left wing or Carrasco's spot in the 4-3-2-1. Either that, or Heath goes back to the 4-2-3-1 and puts him in the central attacking midfield, with Molino and Winter on the wings. The nice thing is that the team has options, which isn't something we could have said in the past.

Rich: I think the Lions win 3-1 and Nocerino scores his first goal. Bendik; Ramos, Redding, Hines, Shea; Higuita, Carrasco, Ribeiro; Molino, Nocerino; Larin

Scott: Bendik; Boden, Hines, Redding, Ramos; Higuita, Carrasco, Nocerino; Shea, Molino; Larin in a 4-3-2-1 alignment. I'll predict a 3-1 win for the Lions, playing at home against of a less-than-stout back line.

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That's your roundtable discussion for Week 2. Feel free to add your answers to these questions or explain why our staff is right/wrong in their predictions or analysis in the comments section below.

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PawedCast Episode 506: Cincinnati Rewind, OCB-Carolina Core, Columbus Preview, and More

The Lions claimed a late draw at Cincy and now host Columbus while OCB’s playoff hopes hang by a thread.

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Orlando City left it late again. Tyrese Spicer reprised his role from the Nashville game by providing the assist for a goal late in stoppage time, but this time it was a different goal scorer and a road draw instead of a home win. Alex Freeman played great against FC Cincinnati, so it was fitting that he literally pulled a point out of thin air on a Sunday night that saw the Lions squander numerous good opportunities to score while allowing the hosts only one Kevin Denkey strike.

We look back at the key moments, players, and plays of a critical road match, check our score predictions, and make our selections for Man of the Match, splitting the vote

This week’s mailbagbox asked us a pair of trivia questions and added an individual question for each host. Remember, if there’s anything — and we do mean anything — you want us to address on the show, just ask us by tweeting it to us at @TheManeLand with the hashtag #AskTMLPC, or hitting us up on Bluesky Social with that same hashtag.

OCB got two points at Carolina Core FC when it needed three, but it did enough to stay alive in the postseason race but there is no margin for error. The Young Lions fell behind by two goals, battled back to get level, conceded again, and once again equalized on the road. Carlos Mercado then helped his team win the penalty shootout on his birthday to claim the extra point. OCB must beat FC Cincinnati 2 on Sunday at home and get help to reach the postseason.

Finally, Orlando City returns home with another game against a good team from the Buckeye State, as the Columbus Crew visits Inter&Co Stadium on Saturday. Whether Diego Rossi plays or not, the Crew are always a difficult opponent. We break down the series history, look at the battle ahead, provide our key matchups, and make our predictions for the final score.

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Here’s how No. 506 went down:

0:15 – Orlando City didn’t seem to want to put the ball in the net, but maybe that’s because it wasn’t yet the death of stoppage time. Earlier goals are OK too, guys!

27:55 – The mailbagbox offers trivia, but no prizes if we get them right.

39:11 – OCB was listening to Meat Loaf and thinking two out of three ain’t bad, and the senior Lions prepare for Columbus.

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PawedCast Episode 502: Galaxy Rewind, Ramiro Enrique Transfer News, OCB Defeats Crown Legacy, and More

Lions leave Leagues Cup empty handed, Ramiro Enrique could be on the move soon, OCB gets a vital win, and more

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I couldn’t tell you why this show is nearly an hour other than the fact that we are verbose. Orlando City crashed out of Leagues Cup with back-to-back losses in games that had a Concacaf Champions Cup berth on the line. The Lions did almost nothing in the first half against the LA Galaxy on the road, and threw Martin Ojeda’s second-half equalizer away just seven minutes after he scored it with a horrendous turnover in their defensive third.

We discuss Orlando City’s 2-1 road loss, which featured one of Pedro Gallese’s best-ever saves as a Lion, although it ultimately didn’t matter much, looked back at our score predictions, and made our selections for Man of the Match.

We also discussed Seattle’s 3-0 win over Inter Miami in the final and the shenanigans that the Herons pulled after losing.

Ramiro Enrique was not in uniform Sunday night in the wake of reports that he’s about to be sold for a reported $3 million to a Saudi team. Although the timing isn’t perfect, it would be a good return for the Argentine striker.

This week’s mailbagbox asked about ice cream, donuts, Carlos Mercado vs. Javier Otero, and more. Remember, if there’s anything — and we do mean anything — you want us to address on the show, just ask us by tweeting it to us at @TheManeLand with the hashtag #AskTMLPC, or hitting us up on Bluesky Social with that same hashtag.

OCB picked up a much-needed three points with a home win over Crown Legacy at the death that nearly immediately became a draw at the even more death. Mercado was sensational in the match for the Young Lions and Thalles scored the timely goal to push the club over the playoff line for the time being. I nearly started to preview an OCB game that is more than a week ago, but the important thing is I stopped myself, otherwise the show would have been even longer.

The senior Lions are also off this week, so we’ll see you next week!

Be sure to rate and review our show wherever you get your podcasts. Remember, we’ll read any five-star reviews we get on Apple Podcasts on the next show.

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Here’s how No. 502 went down:

0:15 – Orlando City looked to be following the same script as in the win at LA back in March, but then coughed up the ball in a dangerous spot to one of the Galaxy’s best scorers.

29:36 – The mailbagbox is trying to make us fat(ter).

46:38 – OCB has put together two consecutive late wins as the Young Lions try to get back into playoff contention after several rough weeks.

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Announcement: Change to The Mane Land’s Approach to Live Updates on Social Media

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Here at The Mane Land, we were able to build a rather sizable following on social media early in our growth. We quickly surpassed a thousand followers while we were still a free independent WordPress site with just a few contributors posting about one new story per day. This helped us get the attention of SBNation, which we eventually joined.

When we joined SBNation’s roster of blogs, we quickly rose up the ranks to one of the most followed MLS team-specific accounts on Facebook and Twitter (especially the latter). We always had great engagement on Twitter, with mixed results on Facebook.

With all of that said, we take the relationship with our social media followers seriously, because our readers have helped our growth on those channels (and vice versa), and we know who our friends are. We’ve met a lot of our Twitter followers in person over the years, and we value those times we’ve spent with you.

All of this serves to preface that we’ve decided to change some things up, although it’s nothing too radical. Starting Friday, March 28, TML will no longer be live tweeting matches on Twitter (sorry, I’m still never going to call it X, because that’s dumb). We will also be reducing our already dwindling presence there. I want to emphasize that we are not deleting our account. We will continue to post new stories to the artist formerly known as Twitter. But that’s about all we’ll be doing there. This week’s OCB game will be the last match for which we’ll provide live updates on Twitter.

We will be moving all of our live game coverage to our Bluesky Social account.

Please note: This move should in no way be construed as a political one. There are several factors at play, and while some of our writers may not share political alignment with Twitter’s owner, that is not why I’ve chosen this course — with the support of the TML staff. If this was a political choice, we’d simply delete the account and quit using the platform entirely.

Once upon a time, Twitter used to drive a decent-ish (but, if I’m being honest, never great) amount of engagement to our website, which we could see in our analytics. It was also a place where we could engage with our followers, exchanging thoughts on the club and its players, and occasionally arguing a little bit about those topics.

Before you could simply buy a blue checkmark, Vox Media assisted us in getting vetted by the former ownership, which helped legitimize us as a reliable outlet covering Orlando City SC. That too helped us grow our follower base, but it all went away when the current owner decided to overpay for the platform and tried to monetize it by letting anyone buy a blue checkmark, flooding the non-checkmarked accounts with ads. That was the start of when we began seeing Twitter become less useful as a marketing tool for TML and when it started driving a lot less traffic to our website and podcasts.

Most of our post engagement on Twitter has dried up because of people leaving (or spending less time on) the platform. More likes and retweets are coming from bot accounts than ever before. Typically, we have been seeing a high percentage of post likes coming from obvious bot accounts. And it’s just not a pleasant place to be. There are far too many ads, and most of the “ads” we see in our feed aren’t advertising any service or product. They seem to be individual tweets boosted by…I don’t know, some algorithm, or maybe the account’s owner is actually paying for things like this to be boosted. Most, but not all, of those “ads” are political in nature, and many of the political ones feature easily disprovable lies.

But sometimes it’s random stuff like this:

When every fourth or fifth post is something like the above (or often something worse), it’s just not an enjoyable user experience. We’re not going to give the world’s richest man more money just to cleanse our timeline of it and have the old Twitter experience back (that’s the entire point of “premium,” to get us to pay to go ad free). That’s as valid a choice for a business model as any, I guess, but it’s not one we’re interested in boosting just to get things to go back to how they were.

Between the drop in engagement, the rise of unchecked bot activity, and the weirdness and frequency of the “ads,” it’s a place we’d like to spend less time. Again, we aren’t leaving. We’ll continue to let people on Twitter know when new stories drop. That’s always been our basic approach to Facebook, where we’ve never received a whole lot of engagement.

Bluesky Social, on the other hand, has been quite enjoyable in all the same ways Twitter used to be. With less than a third of the followers that we have on Twitter, our replies, likes, and reposts have been much higher on average over the past year, than those same posts on Twitter. Our podcast listeners submit far more questions there than on Twitter (but you can still ask on Twitter and we’ll answer them on the show). The Bluesky interface is slightly more clunky on desktop than Twitter (desktop is an important part of how I provide live updates during games), but it feels pretty much like Twitter used to. I have been trying to post on both Twitter and Bluesky for OCSC games, but doing both is problematic and more than a little stressful. By limiting live updates to Bluesky, it’ll make things easier for those of us doing this in our spare time for no real financial gain. I’m not asking the staff to start Bluesky accounts, but some of our writers already have them.

Our ask of you on this subject is…nothing. If you’re not on Bluesky, and you decide you don’t want or need another social media account, that’s a valid choice. If you want to join us on Bluesky, we’d love to see you. Our posts about our stories will be (and have been for some time) identical on both platforms (and on Facebook). The only change will be that we (mainly I) will spend more time on Bluesky, less on Twitter, and our live game coverage will be on Bluesky. You can still @ us on Twitter if you like. We may just be a bit less responsive.

Things change, especially technology and social media. Some of you remember MySpace. Or even AOL. It’s entirely possible that a future Twitter with better control of bots and ads may one day be worth egaging with more often again. That’s another reason for us not to delete the account.

At The Mane Land, our main reason for existence continues to be that we love telling the stories of our favorite MLS, NWSL, and MLS NEXT Pro soccer teams. That won’t change — even if the way we promote those stories does from time to time.

Feel free to reach out with any comments or questions you have. And, as always, thank you for your support over the last 11 years.

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