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Orlando City and the 2017 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup: A Primer

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Orlando City starts what we hope to be a long run in the 2017 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Wednesday night at 7:30 at Orlando City Stadium, against Miami FC. For our readers who may not necessarily be familiar with this competition, it's a knockout tournament similar to England's FA Cup, with only U.S.-based teams — both amateur and professional — eligible to play.

MLS clubs enter the tournament in the fourth round, which is where we are now, after many amateur and lower level teams have already been eliminated. Orlando City's opponent was determined by draw before Round 3 was played, and the Lions were slated to face the winner of the Tampa Bay Rowdies at Miami FC. The NASL club from South Florida won, so here we are.

Here's a primer for the match.

How many rounds are there?

There are eight rounds in this year’s competition, but just four for MLS clubs, who start play in Round 4. It takes two wins to reach the quarterfinals from here. The quarterfinals take place in mid-July, with the semifinals coming in mid-August and the final in late September.

So…the winner just gets a trophy?

Well, no, not just a trophy. The Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup has changed names over the years, but it's one of the oldest soccer competitions in the world, dating back to 1913-14, so it's kind of a big deal.

The winner of the U.S. Open Cup receives one of the four coveted U.S. spots in CONCACAF Champions League. Oh, and the winning team gets $250,000 in prize money as well, while the runner-up gets $60,000 and there’s a $15,000 bonus for advancing the furthest in your division. Baltimore-based Christos FC, a local qualifier that will play D.C. United in Round 4, is an example of a team advancing the furthest from its division.

How has Orlando City fared in the U.S. Open Cup?

Orlando City holds an all-time record of 10-6-1* in U.S. Open Cup play and has gone as far as the quarterfinals in 2013 and 2015. The Lions defeated the Colorado Rapids and Sporting Kansas City in 2013 before the Chicago Fire knocked them out. Coincidentally, the Fire knocked out Orlando in the 2015 quarterfinals as well.

*The Lions drew the Charleston Battery, 4-4, in 2015 but advanced on penalties. This technically counts as a draw even though Orlando City moved on in the tournament.

Last season, the Lions defeated the Jacksonville Armada on the road, 1-0, but fell 2-1 at home against the Fort Lauderdale Strikers on a 120th-minute strike by current Orlando City defender, PC, which came very much against the run of play. The Lions had out-shot the Strikers after halftime by a 20-1 margin.

How has Jason Kreis done in the U.S. Open Cup as a head coach?

Kreis coached Real Salt Lake from 2007 to 2013 and then managed New York City FC in 2015, so he’s seen the competition a few times. His first four seasons at RSL, only eight MLS teams qualified for the competition and his club did not qualify in those years, falling out in various rounds of qualification. His best season was in 2013, reaching the final before falling, 1-0.

Jason Kreis in U.S. Open Cup
YearTeamRecordResult
2007Real Salt LakeDNQLost in qualification final to Colorado Rapids, 2-1
2008Real Salt LakeDNQLost in second round of qualification to Columbus, 2-0
2009Real Salt LakeDNQLost in qualification semifinals to Seattle, 4-1
2010Real Salt LakeDNQLost in qualification final to D.C. United after extra time, 2-1
2011Real Salt Lake1-1-0Lost in quarterfinals to FC Dallas, 2-0
2012Real Salt Lake0-1-0Lost in Round 3 to Minnesota Stars, 3-1
2013Real Salt Lake4-1-0Lost in final, 1-0 to D.C. United
2015New York City FC0-0-1Lost in Round 4 on penalties to New York Cosmos, 2-2 (4-3)
5-3-1
DNQ = Did Not Qualify

How has Miami FC fared in the U.S. Open Cup?

The club has only been in existence for two seasons, beginning play in 2016, so Miami FC doesn’t have a rich history in the USOC. Miami has a record of 2-1 in the tournament, losing its first ever USOC match last year to the Wilmington Hammerheads, 2-1. This season, Miami FC survived in a 3-2 win over South Florida Surf in the second round before knocking out Tampa Bay, 2-0.

Will we see basically the regular lineup from Orlando City?

Not likely. Orlando City will be like many MLS teams and rest important regulars during Cup matches. The Lions have an important match against the Montreal Impact on Saturday and will want to rest guys like Jonathan Spector, Kaká, and probably several others, while Cyle Larin and Will Johnson are with the Canadian national team. This match-up was originally supposed to take place June 13, which might have made a slight difference in who Jason Kreis uses. Plus there are rules as to how many foreign players can be in the lineup. It’ll likely be a mixture of a few regulars, some bench players, and a few guys recalled from Orlando City B. The reality is that the fixture schedule has been crowded and some players need rest to stay fresh for MLS matches or simply to let nagging injuries heal up.

Expect to see guys like Hadji Barry, Tony Rocha, Leo Pereira, Rafael Ramos, and probably Seb Hines. We'll likely see a few regulars, just owing to numbers, but don't go in expecting 90 minutes of Kaká.

What's the history between these two teams?

There isn’t any. These two teams have never met.

What do we know about Miami FC?

Former USL Orlando City defender Brad Rusin plays for Miami. He made 23 appearances with the Lions in 2014, scoring two goals. Midfielder Kwadwo Poku is a former New York City FC player who is big and strong and gave Orlando fits back in 2015 with his passing. He’s a key player for Miami. Midfielder/defender Gabriel Farfan played with the Philadelphia Union and Chivas USA in MLS, scoring once in 65 appearances. Midfielder Michael Lahoud also played with both the Union and Chivas USA.

Will the game be televised?

No, but we did get word that it would be streamed.

Are there any roster limitations?

As a U.S.-centric tournament, the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup has restrictions on using international players. Each team may dress only five foreign players for Cup matches in its 18-man roster. This can be problematic for a team like Orlando City, which relies heavily on international players. A few will have to sit.

What if it's a draw?

If the teams are tied after 90 minutes, they will play 30 minutes of extra time, similar to how World Cup knockout round matches are played. If there is still no winner after 120 minutes, penalty kicks will be used to determine which team advances. It is officially listed as a draw.

Does this count in the standings?

No, the U.S. Open Cup is a separate competition and there won't be any points added to Orlando City's total should they win. If the Lions prevail, their fifth-round opponent will be determined via draw, as will the game's location. This isn’t a completely random draw, as geographic location plays a large role in determining the opponent.

Where and who will Orlando City play if they win?

There will be a drawing to determine the location of the Round 5 match-up if both clubs have applied to host. The Lions would play the winner of the Chicago Fire and Saint Louis FC. Provided Orlando City gets past Miami FC, we'll bring you that information as soon as it's available. The date would be June 28.

Who won it last year?

In a rematch of the 2007 USOC final, FC Dallas hosted the match and defeated the New England Revolution, 4-2, on Sept. 13 of last season. It was the second time Dallas has won the U.S. Open Cup. The club won the competition back in 1997 as the Dallas Burn in penalties over D.C. United in a match played in Indianapolis. Dallas is also a two-time runner-up in the competition.


There’s what you need to know ahead of Orlando City’s match vs. Miami FC on Wednesday night. We’ll have full coverage right here at The Mane Land.

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PawedCast Episode 506: Cincinnati Rewind, OCB-Carolina Core, Columbus Preview, and More

The Lions claimed a late draw at Cincy and now host Columbus while OCB’s playoff hopes hang by a thread.

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Image courtesy of Orlando City SC / Jeremy Reper

Orlando City left it late again. Tyrese Spicer reprised his role from the Nashville game by providing the assist for a goal late in stoppage time, but this time it was a different goal scorer and a road draw instead of a home win. Alex Freeman played great against FC Cincinnati, so it was fitting that he literally pulled a point out of thin air on a Sunday night that saw the Lions squander numerous good opportunities to score while allowing the hosts only one Kevin Denkey strike.

We look back at the key moments, players, and plays of a critical road match, check our score predictions, and make our selections for Man of the Match, splitting the vote

This week’s mailbagbox asked us a pair of trivia questions and added an individual question for each host. Remember, if there’s anything — and we do mean anything — you want us to address on the show, just ask us by tweeting it to us at @TheManeLand with the hashtag #AskTMLPC, or hitting us up on Bluesky Social with that same hashtag.

OCB got two points at Carolina Core FC when it needed three, but it did enough to stay alive in the postseason race but there is no margin for error. The Young Lions fell behind by two goals, battled back to get level, conceded again, and once again equalized on the road. Carlos Mercado then helped his team win the penalty shootout on his birthday to claim the extra point. OCB must beat FC Cincinnati 2 on Sunday at home and get help to reach the postseason.

Finally, Orlando City returns home with another game against a good team from the Buckeye State, as the Columbus Crew visits Inter&Co Stadium on Saturday. Whether Diego Rossi plays or not, the Crew are always a difficult opponent. We break down the series history, look at the battle ahead, provide our key matchups, and make our predictions for the final score.

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Here’s how No. 506 went down:

0:15 – Orlando City didn’t seem to want to put the ball in the net, but maybe that’s because it wasn’t yet the death of stoppage time. Earlier goals are OK too, guys!

27:55 – The mailbagbox offers trivia, but no prizes if we get them right.

39:11 – OCB was listening to Meat Loaf and thinking two out of three ain’t bad, and the senior Lions prepare for Columbus.

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PawedCast Episode 502: Galaxy Rewind, Ramiro Enrique Transfer News, OCB Defeats Crown Legacy, and More

Lions leave Leagues Cup empty handed, Ramiro Enrique could be on the move soon, OCB gets a vital win, and more

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I couldn’t tell you why this show is nearly an hour other than the fact that we are verbose. Orlando City crashed out of Leagues Cup with back-to-back losses in games that had a Concacaf Champions Cup berth on the line. The Lions did almost nothing in the first half against the LA Galaxy on the road, and threw Martin Ojeda’s second-half equalizer away just seven minutes after he scored it with a horrendous turnover in their defensive third.

We discuss Orlando City’s 2-1 road loss, which featured one of Pedro Gallese’s best-ever saves as a Lion, although it ultimately didn’t matter much, looked back at our score predictions, and made our selections for Man of the Match.

We also discussed Seattle’s 3-0 win over Inter Miami in the final and the shenanigans that the Herons pulled after losing.

Ramiro Enrique was not in uniform Sunday night in the wake of reports that he’s about to be sold for a reported $3 million to a Saudi team. Although the timing isn’t perfect, it would be a good return for the Argentine striker.

This week’s mailbagbox asked about ice cream, donuts, Carlos Mercado vs. Javier Otero, and more. Remember, if there’s anything — and we do mean anything — you want us to address on the show, just ask us by tweeting it to us at @TheManeLand with the hashtag #AskTMLPC, or hitting us up on Bluesky Social with that same hashtag.

OCB picked up a much-needed three points with a home win over Crown Legacy at the death that nearly immediately became a draw at the even more death. Mercado was sensational in the match for the Young Lions and Thalles scored the timely goal to push the club over the playoff line for the time being. I nearly started to preview an OCB game that is more than a week ago, but the important thing is I stopped myself, otherwise the show would have been even longer.

The senior Lions are also off this week, so we’ll see you next week!

Be sure to rate and review our show wherever you get your podcasts. Remember, we’ll read any five-star reviews we get on Apple Podcasts on the next show.

If you’d like to support our independent writing and podcasting efforts, we’d love to have you as a subscriber or donor over at our Buy Me a Coffee site.


Here’s how No. 502 went down:

0:15 – Orlando City looked to be following the same script as in the win at LA back in March, but then coughed up the ball in a dangerous spot to one of the Galaxy’s best scorers.

29:36 – The mailbagbox is trying to make us fat(ter).

46:38 – OCB has put together two consecutive late wins as the Young Lions try to get back into playoff contention after several rough weeks.

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Announcement: Change to The Mane Land’s Approach to Live Updates on Social Media

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Here at The Mane Land, we were able to build a rather sizable following on social media early in our growth. We quickly surpassed a thousand followers while we were still a free independent WordPress site with just a few contributors posting about one new story per day. This helped us get the attention of SBNation, which we eventually joined.

When we joined SBNation’s roster of blogs, we quickly rose up the ranks to one of the most followed MLS team-specific accounts on Facebook and Twitter (especially the latter). We always had great engagement on Twitter, with mixed results on Facebook.

With all of that said, we take the relationship with our social media followers seriously, because our readers have helped our growth on those channels (and vice versa), and we know who our friends are. We’ve met a lot of our Twitter followers in person over the years, and we value those times we’ve spent with you.

All of this serves to preface that we’ve decided to change some things up, although it’s nothing too radical. Starting Friday, March 28, TML will no longer be live tweeting matches on Twitter (sorry, I’m still never going to call it X, because that’s dumb). We will also be reducing our already dwindling presence there. I want to emphasize that we are not deleting our account. We will continue to post new stories to the artist formerly known as Twitter. But that’s about all we’ll be doing there. This week’s OCB game will be the last match for which we’ll provide live updates on Twitter.

We will be moving all of our live game coverage to our Bluesky Social account.

Please note: This move should in no way be construed as a political one. There are several factors at play, and while some of our writers may not share political alignment with Twitter’s owner, that is not why I’ve chosen this course — with the support of the TML staff. If this was a political choice, we’d simply delete the account and quit using the platform entirely.

Once upon a time, Twitter used to drive a decent-ish (but, if I’m being honest, never great) amount of engagement to our website, which we could see in our analytics. It was also a place where we could engage with our followers, exchanging thoughts on the club and its players, and occasionally arguing a little bit about those topics.

Before you could simply buy a blue checkmark, Vox Media assisted us in getting vetted by the former ownership, which helped legitimize us as a reliable outlet covering Orlando City SC. That too helped us grow our follower base, but it all went away when the current owner decided to overpay for the platform and tried to monetize it by letting anyone buy a blue checkmark, flooding the non-checkmarked accounts with ads. That was the start of when we began seeing Twitter become less useful as a marketing tool for TML and when it started driving a lot less traffic to our website and podcasts.

Most of our post engagement on Twitter has dried up because of people leaving (or spending less time on) the platform. More likes and retweets are coming from bot accounts than ever before. Typically, we have been seeing a high percentage of post likes coming from obvious bot accounts. And it’s just not a pleasant place to be. There are far too many ads, and most of the “ads” we see in our feed aren’t advertising any service or product. They seem to be individual tweets boosted by…I don’t know, some algorithm, or maybe the account’s owner is actually paying for things like this to be boosted. Most, but not all, of those “ads” are political in nature, and many of the political ones feature easily disprovable lies.

But sometimes it’s random stuff like this:

When every fourth or fifth post is something like the above (or often something worse), it’s just not an enjoyable user experience. We’re not going to give the world’s richest man more money just to cleanse our timeline of it and have the old Twitter experience back (that’s the entire point of “premium,” to get us to pay to go ad free). That’s as valid a choice for a business model as any, I guess, but it’s not one we’re interested in boosting just to get things to go back to how they were.

Between the drop in engagement, the rise of unchecked bot activity, and the weirdness and frequency of the “ads,” it’s a place we’d like to spend less time. Again, we aren’t leaving. We’ll continue to let people on Twitter know when new stories drop. That’s always been our basic approach to Facebook, where we’ve never received a whole lot of engagement.

Bluesky Social, on the other hand, has been quite enjoyable in all the same ways Twitter used to be. With less than a third of the followers that we have on Twitter, our replies, likes, and reposts have been much higher on average over the past year, than those same posts on Twitter. Our podcast listeners submit far more questions there than on Twitter (but you can still ask on Twitter and we’ll answer them on the show). The Bluesky interface is slightly more clunky on desktop than Twitter (desktop is an important part of how I provide live updates during games), but it feels pretty much like Twitter used to. I have been trying to post on both Twitter and Bluesky for OCSC games, but doing both is problematic and more than a little stressful. By limiting live updates to Bluesky, it’ll make things easier for those of us doing this in our spare time for no real financial gain. I’m not asking the staff to start Bluesky accounts, but some of our writers already have them.

Our ask of you on this subject is…nothing. If you’re not on Bluesky, and you decide you don’t want or need another social media account, that’s a valid choice. If you want to join us on Bluesky, we’d love to see you. Our posts about our stories will be (and have been for some time) identical on both platforms (and on Facebook). The only change will be that we (mainly I) will spend more time on Bluesky, less on Twitter, and our live game coverage will be on Bluesky. You can still @ us on Twitter if you like. We may just be a bit less responsive.

Things change, especially technology and social media. Some of you remember MySpace. Or even AOL. It’s entirely possible that a future Twitter with better control of bots and ads may one day be worth egaging with more often again. That’s another reason for us not to delete the account.

At The Mane Land, our main reason for existence continues to be that we love telling the stories of our favorite MLS, NWSL, and MLS NEXT Pro soccer teams. That won’t change — even if the way we promote those stories does from time to time.

Feel free to reach out with any comments or questions you have. And, as always, thank you for your support over the last 11 years.

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